# Development talks
**URL:** https://forum.duniter.org/t/development-talks/12627
**Category:** Event
**Tags:** visio-dev
**Created:** [28 October 2024 15:07 UTC](https://forum.duniter.org/t/development-talks/12627 "2024-10-28T15:07:05Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Moul](https://forum.duniter.org/u/Moul)
#### Post date: [28 October 2024 15:07 UTC](https://forum.duniter.org/t/development-talks/12627/1 "2024-10-28T15:07:05Z")
As part of the v2 migration coordination group, I would like to invite you ([@contributors](https://forum.duniter.org/groups/contributors) @elmau) to a technical meeting on Monday, November 4th 2024 at 14:00 CET.
This date most likely does not fit our schedule. In this case, please fill up following form, so we can decide for a fitting date together. I did set up the form to have weekly meetings such on how they are doing in the v2 coordination group, but I can change the form to have it every two weeks or monthly, if the frequency is too high. Just let me know below in the comments.
> **[Crab Fit](https://crab.fit/dev-talks-948953)**
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> Enter your availability to find a time that works for everyone!
Please, invite anyone interested to this technical talk regarding v2 ecosystem.
Non-french speaking contributors (specially our lovely Spanish-speaking contributors) are more than welcome! We would simply switch to English and do our best with Shakespeare’s language.
Is anyone interested to moderate this/these meeting(s)? @1000i100 ?
> **[Jitsi Meet](https://meet.evolix.org/g1v2-dev)**
>
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### Author:  [@tuxmain](https://forum.duniter.org/u/tuxmain)
#### Post date: [28 October 2024 15:15 UTC](https://forum.duniter.org/t/development-talks/12627/2 "2024-10-28T15:15:29Z")
I guess the calendar goes from sunday 3 to saturday 9?
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### Author:  [@HugoTrentesaux](https://forum.duniter.org/u/HugoTrentesaux)
#### Post date: [28 October 2024 15:23 UTC](https://forum.duniter.org/t/development-talks/12627/3 "2024-10-28T15:23:10Z")
I think the goal is
> [@Moul](#):
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> weekly meetings
Beginning from 2024-11-03T23:00:00Z. Once a recurrent date is found it would be more “opt out” than “opt in”.
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### Author:  [@Moul](https://forum.duniter.org/u/Moul)
#### Post date: [31 October 2024 06:18 UTC](https://forum.duniter.org/t/development-talks/12627/4 "2024-10-31T06:18:27Z")
Someone else willing to join these meetings? We are feeling a bit alone 🥶
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### Author:  [@Maaltir](https://forum.duniter.org/u/Maaltir)
#### Post date: [31 October 2024 10:08 UTC](https://forum.duniter.org/t/development-talks/12627/5 "2024-10-31T10:08:10Z")
J’ai l’impression que dans [@contributors](https://forum.duniter.org/groups/contributors) il manque @bgallois
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### Author:  [@Moul](https://forum.duniter.org/u/Moul)
#### Post date: [31 October 2024 10:59 UTC](https://forum.duniter.org/t/development-talks/12627/6 "2024-10-31T10:59:19Z")
Je l’ai rajouté, merci pour l’œil attentif !
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### Author:  [@tuxmain](https://forum.duniter.org/u/tuxmain)
#### Post date: [9 November 2024 11:55 UTC](https://forum.duniter.org/t/development-talks/12627/7 "2024-11-09T11:55:22Z")
Is there a consensus for the next meeting?
According to the poll (which is still open for edition), the best dates are:
- monday 10h-12h
- wednesday 10h-13h
- wednesday 16h-18h
- thursday 10h-13h
- ~~friday 16h-18h~~
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### Author:  [@Moul](https://forum.duniter.org/u/Moul)
#### Post date: [9 November 2024 12:03 UTC](https://forum.duniter.org/t/development-talks/12627/8 "2024-11-09T12:03:24Z")
I changed my availabilities. I am not available Fridays evenings.
Otherwise let’s pick one of these four slots. [@contributors](https://forum.duniter.org/groups/contributors), any preference for one of these?
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### Author:  [@HugoTrentesaux](https://forum.duniter.org/u/HugoTrentesaux)
#### Post date: [11 November 2024 10:38 UTC](https://forum.duniter.org/t/development-talks/12627/9 "2024-11-11T10:38:47Z")
All are fine for me at the moment. I can be unavailable at some dates but I’ll try to inform ahead of time case by case.
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### Author:  [@tuxmain](https://forum.duniter.org/u/tuxmain)
#### Post date: [11 November 2024 10:52 UTC](https://forum.duniter.org/t/development-talks/12627/10 "2024-11-11T10:52:48Z")
The best for me is wednesday.
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### Author:  [@Moul](https://forum.duniter.org/u/Moul)
#### Post date: [23 November 2024 08:24 UTC](https://forum.duniter.org/t/development-talks/12627/11 "2024-11-23T08:24:24Z")
[@contributors](https://forum.duniter.org/groups/contributors), we could meet on Monday, November 25th at 2 PM on [https://meet.evolix.org/g1v2-dev](https://meet.evolix.org/g1v2-dev)
@kimamila plans to be present.
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### Author:  [@tuxmain](https://forum.duniter.org/u/tuxmain)
#### Post date: [23 November 2024 11:14 UTC](https://forum.duniter.org/t/development-talks/12627/12 "2024-11-23T11:14:15Z")
As I won’t be available, here is one thing I would like the wallet developers to discuss:
Are they OK with using [the protocol proposed here](https://forum.duniter.org/t/protocole-de-messagerie-securise/12575) for offchain private messages, as a replacement of Cesium+'s private messages.
The implications for wallets are that:
- listing available messages needs querying the datapods (don’t know how yet)
- messages are sorted in conversations between two public keys
- the private conversation state (containing cryptographic overhead specific to a conversation) needs to be fetched and updated each time we receive a new message or send a message
- this state can be stored in the local storage (file, browser storage) or encrypted on the datapods or on a server
- this state is generally pretty small (\<256 bytes) but may store a limited number of pending messages if a previous message were not received
- some work to adapt the UI
- need a Rust library (native, binding or WASM) or a translation of this library to another language (I can work on it if needed)
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### Author:  [@kapis](https://forum.duniter.org/u/kapis)
#### Post date: [24 November 2024 19:23 UTC](https://forum.duniter.org/t/development-talks/12627/13 "2024-11-24T19:23:35Z")
> [@Moul](#):
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> November 25th at 2 PM on [https://meet.evolix.org/g1v2-dev](https://meet.evolix.org/g1v2-dev)
I added it in my notifications tomorrow to assist. Thanks for coordinating. FYI @vjrj
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### Author:  [@Moul](https://forum.duniter.org/u/Moul)
#### Post date: [25 November 2024 12:59 UTC](https://forum.duniter.org/t/development-talks/12627/14 "2024-11-25T12:59:53Z")
Starting soon!
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### Author:  [@HugoTrentesaux](https://forum.duniter.org/u/HugoTrentesaux)
#### Post date: [25 November 2024 14:28 UTC](https://forum.duniter.org/t/development-talks/12627/15 "2024-11-25T14:28:02Z")
Thanks @kapis @vjrj @vit @moul @bgallois @kimamila @ManUtopiK @1000i100 (9 people there) for being there today. We were cut at 3 pm because Kimamila closed the meeting for everybody when leaving.
> **row notes taken during meeting**
>
> ```auto
> - on passe au français suite à proposition de vjrj
> - Cesium v2 schedule
> - de nouveau papa donc moins de temps
> - un peu de retard avec Dorian, va s'y mettre
> - interrogation sur les datapods
> - parcours membre et évaluation de la règle de distance (depuis le client ? téléchargement de la WoT via l’API graphql, calcul local dans le client via https://graphology.github.io/)
> - fonctionnalités satellites (wotwizard, g1-monit, carte)
> - Ǧinkgo will likely support web of trust
> - Hugo time
> - rôle clé vision d'ensemble et coordo
> - insiste sur migration / chronologie
> - feeless transactions
> - plus à plein temps sur Duniter, mais bénévole sur l'oracle de distance
> - résumé du fonctionnement des frais
> - point R&D sur la nouvelle version de substrate avec les tx extensions
> - possibilité d'utiliser des fonctionnalités polkadot-sdk pour gérer les frais autrement
> - Manutopik
> - presque fini les travaux de sa maison
> - se lance à fond sur la ML après décembre sur la partie front
> - carte ML / site ML / Ğ1 companion
> - kapis
> - interested to port g1superbot in v2 / py-substrate-interface
> - vit
> - available for information about python API
>
> ```
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### Author:  [@Moul](https://forum.duniter.org/u/Moul)
#### Post date: [25 November 2024 14:35 UTC](https://forum.duniter.org/t/development-talks/12627/16 "2024-11-25T14:35:04Z")
Unfortunately the meeting has been stopped.
Hugo and I, we reconnected and had informal talks.
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### Author:  [@Moul](https://forum.duniter.org/u/Moul)
#### Post date: [25 November 2024 14:58 UTC](https://forum.duniter.org/t/development-talks/12627/17 "2024-11-25T14:58:29Z")
Wednesday and Tuesday from 10:30 AM till 11:15 AM we would be 7/8 participants.
With Hugo, we decided next Wednesday, December 4th at 10:30 AM would be a good fit! 🦀 💪
We invite you, [@contributors](https://forum.duniter.org/groups/contributors) to join at this date!
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### Author:  [@HugoTrentesaux](https://forum.duniter.org/u/HugoTrentesaux)
#### Post date: [26 November 2024 09:24 UTC](https://forum.duniter.org/t/development-talks/12627/18 "2024-11-26T09:24:48Z")
> [@tuxmain](#):
>
> Are they OK with using [the protocol proposed here](https://forum.duniter.org/t/protocole-de-messagerie-securise/12575) for offchain private messages, as a replacement of Cesium+'s private messages.
We did not discussed this point but identified the priorities for Cesium² :
- core feature: identity creation and process
- core feature: UD display (unclaimed UD to take into account in account balance), and UD history display
- core feature: account management
- Cesium+ features will be handled later, and I recall that my datapod implementation is _very experimental and not ready for production_, so it does not make sense to count too much on it, in particular for applications like messaging
I strongly support this double ratchet and internal signing protocol, but for it to become real, it has to rely on a _reliable_ data layer that we do not have yet.
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### Author:  [@Moul](https://forum.duniter.org/u/Moul)
#### Post date: [4 December 2024 12:58 UTC](https://forum.duniter.org/t/development-talks/12627/19 "2024-12-04T12:58:40Z")
We agreed one meeting per month fits our need.
Next one is planned on 2025-01-08T09:30:00Z→2025-01-08T10:30:00Z
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### Author:  [@Moul](https://forum.duniter.org/u/Moul)
#### Post date: [16 December 2024 12:16 UTC](https://forum.duniter.org/t/development-talks/12627/20 "2024-12-16T12:16:19Z")
ping @Nicolas80
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