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@HugoTrentesaux ,

When will be the next meetings? :grinning:

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I did not have the availability to schedule a next meeting. I am starting to emerge and will hopefully work on a next meeting agenda.

Apart from that, there is a request from the “collectif MaJ v2” to have some devs attend their weekly monday meetings, it would be a good place to demonstrate the current state of Cesium v2. (Visio coordination de la migration v2 – Chaque lundi - Mise à jour V2 - Forum Monnaie Libre).

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Did you guys took notes during March meeting?
I find nothing on CodiMD - Collaborative markdown notes

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Not really, we were 2; me and @zoltounet

So we just checked a bit CesiumÂČ state :slight_smile:

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I am sad to hear that. Let’s try to do better for the meeting of April!

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According to CrabFit, the best time is again Friday afternoon.
@contributors, so next meeting would be on Friday, April 4th 2025 at 5:00PM.

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@contributors, friendly reminder. Next meeting is this Friday April 4th from 5:00 PM.

Please prepare topics you would like to talk about.

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It’s now!

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Hi all - I won’t make it this time, just as a mini update: I caught up with @kapis to help him out with g1 superbot and paired a little on getting myself set up and planning a bit, but besides that haven’t made any progress yet.

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We had a nice meeting yesterday with 8 people during 2 hours. Here is a short recap of what was discussed:

Info

  • there is design work on a gchange with moderation done here:
  • some NGI funding applications were submitted through Axiom Team
    • Pour une place de marchĂ© / Gchange
    • Pour du vote en ligne s’appuyant sur la TdC
    • Pour du SSO via g1compagnon et autres aspects de g1compagnon
  • the Axiom Team secret category was moved from Duniter forum to Monnaie Libre forum

Agenda

  • Accounts created before genesis and post genesis can be told apart using their creation block stored in squid (see Duniter-squid version 0.2.8 and Ğ1nkgo v2 support progress, plan and pubkeys/address proposal for history)
  • Urls of mirror endpoints used in clients should be known before g1 launch to allow easy transition. Up-to-date nodes and outdated ones can be told apart thanks to the genesis hash
  • We talked about a uniform centralized notification system to allow transmitting important messages through all apps
  • We designed the structure of a guidelines document that will be discussed in another forum topic. Here is what we came to:
guideline document structure
  • gestion des endpoints et des rĂ©seaux
    • gestion duniter rpc
    • gestion graphql squid
    • gestion hash genesis gdev, gtest, g1
  • gestion des secrets et dĂ©rivations
    • ed25519 par dĂ©faut
    • scan des dĂ©rivations
    • prĂ©sentation du mnemonic
    • code pin / mot de passe / [code de dĂ©verrouillage]
      • utiliser un algo comme Argon2
      • ne pas suggĂ©rer de code de <4 caractĂšres
  • gestion du compte membre vs portefeuille
    • forcer une meilleure sĂ©curitĂ© sur le compte membre
    • suggĂ©rer une meilleure sĂ©curitĂ© en cas de gros montants
    • interdire de stocker le mnemonic (uniquement stocker seed ou clĂ© privĂ©e ?)
    • ne pas donner lieu Ă  un dĂ©verrouillage du compte membre pour les transactions simples depuis compte courant
  • gestion des notification de diffusion
  • The storage use of smith nodes is a real problem that should be addressed or mitigated before g1 launch. Some options were discussed like modifying substrate to allow block header pruning or pre-allocating space on the system and preventing other apps to use it.
  • We discussed then the minimum quantity of available services. Here are our conclusions:
minimum number of services to start the g1 v2
  • forgeron
  • miroir
    • minimum technique Ă  1
    • mĂȘme critĂšres que forgeron, mais avec des exigencs en nombre plus faible (1 FR, 1 ES, 1 non-UE, 1 auto-hĂ©bergĂ©, 1 en data-center, 1 DNS bind local, 1 DNS externe hors GAFAM)
    • les critĂšres du minimum doivent ĂȘtre couverts par des nƓuds “attestĂ©s” par un membre
  • squid
    • mĂȘme chose que les miroirs
    • contrainte additionnelle dDOS
    • DoS protection | SQD
    • r&d ? authentification sur couche HTTP
  • datapods
    • strict minimum 3 par expĂ©rience C+
    • minimum 5 pour ĂȘtre “confort”
  • rĂšgle de distance et prĂ©calcul
    • mini 3
  • Finally install methods were discussed with the idea of making curl [
] | sh the default install method to reach ultimate simplicity. A way to make it decentralized using blockchain was also discussed.

For more details you can see on Dev talks 2025-04-04 - CodiMD

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Last time, I figured out it was not convenient for some of us (Nicolas80, HugoTrentesaux, and I) on Friday evening. Therefore, I removed my availability on Friday evening. We can also do it an other day.
I suggest to keep Friday, but in the afternoon. From 3:30 to 4:30 PM. And we try to keep it short, limited to one hour, and talk about the most important topics.

I suggest to have it this week on Friday May 2nd.

Since, it’s on a short notice, and if next week is more convenient for you, let us know below, so we might decide to shift it to next Friday on May 9th.

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@contributors, so next meeting would be on Friday, May 2th 2025 at 3:30PM.

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Le pad du 28 avril est-ce une coquille est il faudrait faire un pad pour le 2 mai ?

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Pour l’OdJ :

  • Doc forgeron : FR + EN ou seulement EN ?
    • Connexe : Charte forgeron & minima de dĂ©centralisation pour lancer la V2
    • La question de fond : ou mettre le curseur entre “l’écosystĂšme technique est une affaire d’expert” avec une centralisation humaine et technocratique Ă©levĂ© ou “l’écosystĂšme technique doit reposer sur un maximum de monde” au risque d’avoir des gens qui suivent sans comprendre et donc de rĂ©duire la confiance dans le cotĂ© bienveillant des nƓuds du rĂ©seau.
    • Proposition : une doc synthĂ©tique et opĂ©rationnelle en anglais, Ă  prĂ©alable plutĂŽt Ă©levĂ©, qui cible les tech dĂ©jĂ  au point + un programme de formation pour acquĂ©rir ces prĂ©alables (s’il y a du monde pour le concevoir) programme de formation qui lui vise toutes les bonnes volontĂ©s.
  • Si pas le temps de dĂ©tailler, dĂ©lĂ©gation Ă  un groupe de travail avec au moins 1 dev, une personne rodĂ©e en cyber-sec et une personne moins tech pour s’assurer que la conclusion soit comprĂ©hensible ?
  • Gtest + Gdev ou Gtest Ă  la place de Gdev ?
  • Gtest perfectionniste au plus proche de la V2 finale ou Gtest au plus vite pour que la communautĂ© puisse s’y familiariser ?
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En effet, merci, j’ai corrigĂ© la date du pad. Pas trĂšs concentrĂ© moi :slight_smile:

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We are starting the meeting!

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According to last meeting, next one would be on 2025-06-06T13:30:00Z.
I won’t be there, we can either move it to an other day, or you can meet without me.

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Normalement, j’en suis

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Me too !
Vendredi 6 juin Ă  15h30 :face_blowing_a_kiss:

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C’est en quelle annĂ©e çà ? On est vendredi 6 juin
 :wink: