parfait , qui donc je dois demander d’avoir les droits pour deposé mon projet ? (actuellement je ne peux pas en faire)
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I see that you have a GitLab account.
For Weblate, you can connect to it with your GitLab account.
If you need additional permission on Weblate, just ping arbocenc.
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meme avec le compte gitlab , j’ai pas les droits
du coup j’invoque @arbocenc , si tu peux m’aider ! 
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Have you got a weblate account yet? You can create a new one here:
Once logged at our Weblate instance, I can create and assign you to your project. By the way, what name should I use?
yes I do have the account of course, if not I wouldn’t be able to tell you that I don’t have rights to create my project
(user @diablade or niko @ Weblate)
Can I create myself the project ? I would like to configure things for it my self
No cal que siguis impertinent. Jo no he de fer cap deducció, que prou feines tinc en ajudar-te 
Please, answer my question:
Once logged at our Weblate instance, I can create and assign you to your project. By the way, what name should I use?
No cal que siguis impertinent. ??? really 
…
I don’t ask for control other projects, I just want be able to add new projects or remove mine as I please. and don’t be controled or asking permission by anyone to create or delete my projects…
my project, my data, my control.
why should I have to ask your permission for creating projects on my own… what is that supposed to mean ???
if you do not give me this control, like i can have anywhere else in public open tools
then I will find it elsewhere…
or even create my own weblate instance…
your choice to keep control to yourself. as you wish. fine.
(I really dislike that kind of behavior, and to judge me as ‘impertinent’)
Yes, really: "yes I do have the account of course, if not I wouldn’t be able to tell you that I don’t have rights to create my project "
I’m sorry, but it’s not possible, you can not create or delete projects freely in an instance is not yours, but mine. You can ask for a new translation project and IF IT IS RELATED TO DUNITER / G1 STUFF, I’ll create it, like I did with all others. I’m sure your project IS actually related, and for this reason I ask you for the name do you want for it to let me create it for you.
If you prefer to use other services, up to you. I don’t like very much use my effort to be paid with attitudes like yours. Luckily there are no frequent, but exists!
I recommend be kind and thankful with people who work in FLOSS projects (the opposite of being demanding and impertinent).
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As you can see on public official weblate, it is possible to create and manage your own project. I tought i could expect no more no less. and more likely to be in community of “juniste” and “welcomed”… as part of the people give a lot of effort for our libre currency and stuff
(not what’s your message seams-ed to me)
so yes it is possible for you to give this specific rights to some persons.
but actually , the thing is you need to respect the RGPD too.
I have right on my own data. I do not consent to lose that right. And I am shocked , that you can think otherwise.
your instance doesn’t make you having right on my own data
it’s very not acceptable. You should understand that too.
By the way yes my project is also related to G1 stuff
it will be soon 2 years since i am developping my app
it is a huge app, lot of work…
so I thought you could have a little respect and trust me to give me that right I am asking you.
But I understand you don’t want to give to anyone and random persons to create porject.
But I am not random person, many here know for my work
so your refusal is not understandable to me.
I did not plan to use this other than for my geconomicus app
you could delete other project if you think it wouldn’t be related to libre currency, and I am ok with that rule though.
but you asking me to lose control on my own data.
And that’s not fair. And I really don’t feel respected
I don’t understand why you keep yourself in this position of super admin.
I am kindly remind you that I am your equal. not under you.
cause matter of fact, i am working also in FLOSS project
as my geconomicus app is libre and open Source too
and spend a lot of money and time, in my project and in financing duniter.
the reason why i wrote "yes I do have the account of course, if not I wouldn’t be able to tell you that I don’t have rights to create my project "
it’s because I was kindly asking before you came up,
so it means you didn’t even read my message… and again I really felt like you didn’t even take time to understand neither to care.
so yeah I will find another way, thank you any way
and sorry for loosing your time.
Please assume there may be a reason to the refusal, even if we recognize your effort for the project.
So @arbocenc can you clarify why creating projects requires privileges?
It has to be restricted anyway for antispam, and I understand it’s preferable to restrict project creation rather than account creation, for facilitating contribution. But is it possible to grant privileges to users manually, because an introduction on the forum is enough to ensure the user is legitimate?
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I suppose it’s the default behavior of Weblate. And I agree with them. Projects are not created frequently and it is not a problem to ask for the creation of a new project to the instance owner, and, after the project is created use it for yourself. That is what happened with all other projects hosted until now
I don’t understand the need of any user (user creation is not restricted, to make easier for the new translators join and apply on any project) to create projects without control
For me, all this discussion is an artificial and energy exhaustion discussion.
I use my activism to work where I like to work And loose my time in pointless discussions is not my focus. I build the weblate instance to translate girala.net and I open it to any duniter project who has asked it to me. But, my instance, my condions. Anyone can create a new instance of weblate and admin it how it consider best.
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I prefer not host your data. Then I think I have not to worry about your RGPD data.
Good luck with your project
Firstly
You deployed a Service Based on the wiling of growth of libre currency. For international translations.
good idea, I salute that initiative to cumulate our forces. That’s probably why you decide to keep it under duniter’s domain name
But …
You decide about my translation project to not be part of it.
Even if I disagree with, I respect your decision.
But then
I see here an inconsistency to be part of duniter’s domain name and keeping control to yourself.
Secondly
I will still deeply think
The whole goal of libre currency and blockchain in general is to be decentralized
To avoid the centralized and abuse of power
And to never forget about this idea
It should drives our individually and collectively decisions…
As I understand the discussion, he just wants people to ask for creating a project on the platform that he is hosting.
GDPR has nothing to do with that, as the project would be public and not personal anyway.
And his demand is not acceptable under duniter’s domain.
I don’t want to be controlled like I am an child
I want to be trusted by my actions
Not in advance by controlling me
And loosing my rights
Why I can create a repos on duniter’s Gitlab
But not on weblate ?
Again
Why concentrate control ?
What’s the point of it ?
More importantly
Why on weblate? This is almost ridiculous now
It is shifted in some ego trip to refuse to open rights
Maintaining an online service is work, and (unpaid!) maintainers have the right to decide how much work they want to invest in moderation. Spam is a thing and fighting spam is work. That’s all.
If you think Duniter’s official weblate should not work like this, we can discuss. But as long as it profits to the community, does not harm it, and there is no better alternative that someone is willing to maintain, there is no reason to change.
Well here you have it
It does harm the community as he harmed my project to be created here and have people to help me translate a project that we will all benefit from.
And as long as he decide to keep control on what’s can be created or not.
It’s facts here.
He cannot be the only one judging what’s good or not for our community
Our community is going to growth
Much further than we all think
And this kind of behavior should not be tolerated anymore.
We don’t want to loose the reason why in the first place we decide to go with libre currency.
So please don’t underestimate my point here.
Maintaining a service is not a huge work
That’s not true.
I maintain my own personal services and maintain Geconomicus
And it doesn’t required much work for a service that is just deployed
Not comparable of me doing all the development of the game (alone)
Or even Like duniter v2 or even cesium
I paid 30€/ month a server to give to everyone Geconomicus.fr and I’m not paid for that too
I’m loosing money to give it to anyone
So please don’t patronize me
Spam here is not a thing like on telegram
So it is not comparable either
And he can give the right to create to some trusty people when needed
As I think I am since I m not a spam
And have a real project
He can have control for possible spam without project aligned with libre currency
I’m ok with that
But no more power
And let people do their things
Based on trust first
Not on fear first without real reasons like here
And yes we need discuss of rights under duniter’s domain as any other services
The same as we discuss how to decentralize the forge and who has the right to forge.
Ok I’ve just read this discussion.
From what I can read here, it’s gone up a notch for not much.
Let’s start again, shall we?
- diablade is not a spammer, he justifies his position in the face of what seems to him to be an abuse of power, an injustice.
- arbocenc maintains the weblate instance; for the time being, he’s the only administrator and has full rights.
- arbocenc has never refused to allow the diablade project to be translated on his weblate, he’s just asking to create the project himself so that he can filter projects concerning Duniter and Ğ1 only.
- diablade would like to be able to create the project himself without having to go through an administrator.
From my point of view, it would be great if arbocenc could share the administration of its weblate instance with other trusted people involved in the Duniter project (for example, some of the administrators of this forum, or trusted active translators). So that he accepts that the decision to create or delete a project doesn’t belong to him alone.
If arbocenc refuses this condition, then I would like this weblate instance to no longer be referenced via the duniter.org domain. Our domain name, our conditions.
All tools hosted under the duniter.org and monnaie-libre.fr domains are maintained either by individuals or by organizations. But all these tools are co-administered as a team to best represent the Duniter and Ğ1 community. This helps to avoid abuse of power.
I’m not accusing arbocenc of abuse of power, don’t put words in my mouth. I’m saying that it would be healthy for him to share the administration of the weblate with other admins, or else agree to stop hosting this weblate behind the duniter.org domain.
To give an example of my own, when I launched forum.monnaie-libre.fr, the first action I took was to grant administration rights to several trusted members of the community and define moderation rules.
This should be the case for all the tools behind these domain names that enable account registration and content management.
That said, I hope that diablade understands the need to filter the projects created on this weblate so as not to end up with anything and everything, especially on an instance where disk space is limited and communication is at stake.
Once again, it’s all about trust.
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Bonjour et merci pour ce résumé. @arbocenc désolée j’écris en français mais je sais que tu pourras traduire.
Je ne suis pas certaine que @arbocenc soit le seul et unique admin du weblate de Duniter : pourrais tu nous le confirmer ?
Effectivement @arbocenc et @diablade ne se connaissent pas, donc comme @poka le dit :
Nous sommes nombreux/ses à garantir pour @diablade : ce n’est pas un spammeur, il fait un excellent travail (comme d’autres dans d’autres apps) avec le Geconomicus.
@arbocenc le passer admin pour qu’il crée son instance ce serait vraiment chouette (et tu pourrais garder la main peut-être avec des droits pour intervenir s’il fait des erreurs au départ)
@diablade : si tu as besoins de trouver des traducteurs tu nous trouves ici et sur le groupe TG de DuniterV2 dans lequel tu es. Quand @matograine a voulu traduire G1vignette il a lancé un appel, a trouvé des traducteurs avec lesquels il s’est mis en contact directement et n’a pas déposé son projet sur weblate. G1vignette est traduit
En conclusion :
@arbocenc j’aimerais aussi que le weblate de Duniter soit un outil en commun, comme tout le reste, le code, les forum, les apps, donc avec plusieurs admins afin d’éviter une possible prise de pouvoir individuelle. Surtout avec l’arrivée de DUNITERV2 ce serait chouette que ce soit notre outil de traduction en commun 
@diablade, si pour l’instant @arborescenc ne souhaite pas te passer les droits d’admin sur le weblate, tu peux quand même faire traduire le geconomicus
Joyeux Noël 
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